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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1653</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess so, looking at the priests being exposed these days. (in more ways than one), but we&#039;ll leave that one alone, that&#039;s a whole other blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess so, looking at the priests being exposed these days. (in more ways than one), but we&#8217;ll leave that one alone, that&#8217;s a whole other blog.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1652</link>
		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny,
Actually, there is a fairly sizable movement in Christianity today which believes homosexual behavior is natural and okay. Church leaders are teaching it&#039;s okay to be a homosexual because the bible is old and irrelevant. This is REALLY scary stuff! I absolutely do not believe homosexual behavior--or any behavior contrary to the Bible--is okay.

I think your friends play a major role in who you become. When I was in junior high, i hung around farmers, mostly, and I did farmer type things. When i got older, i got into Christian circles, and did mostly Christian type things. When i went to college, i did mostly what my friends were doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny,<br />
Actually, there is a fairly sizable movement in Christianity today which believes homosexual behavior is natural and okay. Church leaders are teaching it&#8217;s okay to be a homosexual because the bible is old and irrelevant. This is REALLY scary stuff! I absolutely do not believe homosexual behavior&#8211;or any behavior contrary to the Bible&#8211;is okay.</p>
<p>I think your friends play a major role in who you become. When I was in junior high, i hung around farmers, mostly, and I did farmer type things. When i got older, i got into Christian circles, and did mostly Christian type things. When i went to college, i did mostly what my friends were doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1651</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My best friend in high school had a brother who is now a homosexual. He dated girls in school, but acted effeminate since puberty.  I know he didn&#039;t act that way in high school for the attention, he was quiet and shy and did not appreciate getting harassed.  After reading Greg&#039;s comment, I think it may have been the friends he chose to hang with that could have done this, as all of his buddies ended up the same as him.  Watching this guy grow up from an elementary kid to this, made me wonder if he didn&#039;t choose it, it seemed to have been a natural transition in his life. 

Back up to comment #2, Nathan, I agree with this view.  I believe the single reason God created the Earth, Adam and Eve was to have them populate the Earth, and teach their offspring to worship God.  The offspring was to multiply, and as the generations went on and on, they were all also to teach their offspring to worship God.  God said to go forth and replenish the Earth.  (This is why if a couple doesn&#039;t  prevent it, you will most likely multiply.)

If homosexuality was OK in God&#039;s eyes, then where does this leave God&#039;s plan?

side note:  Has anyone actually met a Christian homosexual?  Is this an oxymoron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My best friend in high school had a brother who is now a homosexual. He dated girls in school, but acted effeminate since puberty.  I know he didn&#8217;t act that way in high school for the attention, he was quiet and shy and did not appreciate getting harassed.  After reading Greg&#8217;s comment, I think it may have been the friends he chose to hang with that could have done this, as all of his buddies ended up the same as him.  Watching this guy grow up from an elementary kid to this, made me wonder if he didn&#8217;t choose it, it seemed to have been a natural transition in his life. </p>
<p>Back up to comment #2, Nathan, I agree with this view.  I believe the single reason God created the Earth, Adam and Eve was to have them populate the Earth, and teach their offspring to worship God.  The offspring was to multiply, and as the generations went on and on, they were all also to teach their offspring to worship God.  God said to go forth and replenish the Earth.  (This is why if a couple doesn&#8217;t  prevent it, you will most likely multiply.)</p>
<p>If homosexuality was OK in God&#8217;s eyes, then where does this leave God&#8217;s plan?</p>
<p>side note:  Has anyone actually met a Christian homosexual?  Is this an oxymoron?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a happily married man with 2 children and a Christian who also believes that homosexuality is a SIN.

All that said, God designed us with a very specific purpose in mind &quot;To Worsip Him&quot;.  With our lives and our actions.  We have the ability to chose the path that we take and that is up to us.  Yes, I believe that circumstances and the people that we Choose to have an influence in our lives can have an impact in the decisions that we make and the adults that we develop into.  A Choices that will impact us for the rest of our live.

It is a natural reaction for people who are in sin or at fault to blame others or point out faults in others.  I wouldn&#039;t lose a wink of sleep over two people who are obviously trying to vustify their actions by making you question yours.  

You are straight because that is the way that God Designed us!  They choose to abominate the wonderous design of the human body.

Sure a butter knife can be used to put in a screw.....BUT, it ends up being damaged and is JUST THE WRONG TOOL FOR THE JOB!!!  

If they choose not to believe in God, just look at it through the eyes of an Engineer: Inlet, Outlet!!!

The Female inatomy was specifically designed for a purpose, heck it even has it&#039;s own cleaning cycle.

Where as the Outlet was designed SPECIFCALLY and Exclusively to evacuate waste from the body.  There are thousands of veins delicate tissue that was NEVER designed for that activity!!

It is Sin and it is against all practical design principals!!

Don&#039;t feel bad....they next time you meet the 2 males that you were talking about, just ask them which one of them wears the maxi-pad to catch the blood and other discharge associated with their Lifestyle Choice.

I think I&#039;m done now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a happily married man with 2 children and a Christian who also believes that homosexuality is a SIN.</p>
<p>All that said, God designed us with a very specific purpose in mind &#8220;To Worsip Him&#8221;.  With our lives and our actions.  We have the ability to chose the path that we take and that is up to us.  Yes, I believe that circumstances and the people that we Choose to have an influence in our lives can have an impact in the decisions that we make and the adults that we develop into.  A Choices that will impact us for the rest of our live.</p>
<p>It is a natural reaction for people who are in sin or at fault to blame others or point out faults in others.  I wouldn&#8217;t lose a wink of sleep over two people who are obviously trying to vustify their actions by making you question yours.  </p>
<p>You are straight because that is the way that God Designed us!  They choose to abominate the wonderous design of the human body.</p>
<p>Sure a butter knife can be used to put in a screw&#8230;..BUT, it ends up being damaged and is JUST THE WRONG TOOL FOR THE JOB!!!  </p>
<p>If they choose not to believe in God, just look at it through the eyes of an Engineer: Inlet, Outlet!!!</p>
<p>The Female inatomy was specifically designed for a purpose, heck it even has it&#8217;s own cleaning cycle.</p>
<p>Where as the Outlet was designed SPECIFCALLY and Exclusively to evacuate waste from the body.  There are thousands of veins delicate tissue that was NEVER designed for that activity!!</p>
<p>It is Sin and it is against all practical design principals!!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel bad&#8230;.they next time you meet the 2 males that you were talking about, just ask them which one of them wears the maxi-pad to catch the blood and other discharge associated with their Lifestyle Choice.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m done now.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Helmkamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Helmkamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Interesting discussion.

It is true that God makes no distinctions among various sins when it comes to judgment.  Breaking the tiniest bit of the Law and you&#039;re screwed.  That&#039;s why we needed Christ, because we can&#039;t keep the Law (see Romans).

BUT, God does, as do we, make distinctions among various sins in determining how harmful and destructive they are.  Murder is far more destructive than stealing a pencil (although small sins inevitably lead to larger ones, if left unchecked by repentance).  So it is valuable to attempt at least a loose classification of various sins, based upon their destructive power.  A homosexual lifestyle is extremely destructive, which is why God abhors it so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Interesting discussion.</p>
<p>It is true that God makes no distinctions among various sins when it comes to judgment.  Breaking the tiniest bit of the Law and you&#8217;re screwed.  That&#8217;s why we needed Christ, because we can&#8217;t keep the Law (see Romans).</p>
<p>BUT, God does, as do we, make distinctions among various sins in determining how harmful and destructive they are.  Murder is far more destructive than stealing a pencil (although small sins inevitably lead to larger ones, if left unchecked by repentance).  So it is valuable to attempt at least a loose classification of various sins, based upon their destructive power.  A homosexual lifestyle is extremely destructive, which is why God abhors it so much.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny,
What the Bible says in Romans 1 fully addresses where attraction to the same sex comes from (sin). I don&#039;t claim to have all the answers, but I do believe the Bible is always right, and regardless of my experience or anyone else&#039;s experiences.

Actually, some homosexuals like the attention that being a homosexual brings them--crazy, huh? (Many heterosexual girls are the same way--they dress seductively to get attention). I knew a guy in college who liked being known as being gay. He liked the attention. So more than likely, I think these homosexuals who get beat up and ridiculed have attention issues and actually like it that they get attention from other people.

I do have a very strict anti-troll and anti-hijack policy on my blog (which means a commenter tries to control the direction of the conversation or cause problems), and I needed to stop the hijacking and set the record straight, and get the discussion back on topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny,<br />
What the Bible says in Romans 1 fully addresses where attraction to the same sex comes from (sin). I don&#8217;t claim to have all the answers, but I do believe the Bible is always right, and regardless of my experience or anyone else&#8217;s experiences.</p>
<p>Actually, some homosexuals like the attention that being a homosexual brings them&#8211;crazy, huh? (Many heterosexual girls are the same way&#8211;they dress seductively to get attention). I knew a guy in college who liked being known as being gay. He liked the attention. So more than likely, I think these homosexuals who get beat up and ridiculed have attention issues and actually like it that they get attention from other people.</p>
<p>I do have a very strict anti-troll and anti-hijack policy on my blog (which means a commenter tries to control the direction of the conversation or cause problems), and I needed to stop the hijacking and set the record straight, and get the discussion back on topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1643</link>
		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,
I&#039;m not seeing where he said it was worse.  He said in twice that they&#039;re all the same to God.  Revolting.  

Now, what about the homosexuals that are teased and tormented, and say that if it was a choice they make, he certainly would not choose to live a life of ridicule and getting beat up.  Some swear it was a natural attraction to the same sex, and they wish they were &#039;normal&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,<br />
I&#8217;m not seeing where he said it was worse.  He said in twice that they&#8217;re all the same to God.  Revolting.  </p>
<p>Now, what about the homosexuals that are teased and tormented, and say that if it was a choice they make, he certainly would not choose to live a life of ridicule and getting beat up.  Some swear it was a natural attraction to the same sex, and they wish they were &#8216;normal&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1641</link>
		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah,
I have NEVER said homosexual behavior is a worse sin than any other. Please stop saying that here.
That is confusing the issue and is taking the comments to a direction it wasn&#039;t intended to go. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah,<br />
I have NEVER said homosexual behavior is a worse sin than any other. Please stop saying that here.<br />
That is confusing the issue and is taking the comments to a direction it wasn&#8217;t intended to go. </p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://nathandiehl.com/2007/09/29/conversation-with-a-homosexual/comment-page-1/#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Penny: I guess I&#039;ve really struggled through that very question.

The conclusion that I have come to is simply that we are all born into sin. When we are separated from God our thinking becomes twisted and we call that &quot;twistedness&quot; sin. I really think that each person manifests this twisted thinking in their own unique way. God made each of us uniquely, so why wouldn&#039;t we manifest our sin uniquely?

For some, this twisted thinking comes out as jealousy. That&#039;s a lifestyle of jealousy, not just a momentary jealous thought. Some people show this sin in their live primarily through pride, for others it&#039;s alcoholism. For some, it&#039;s homosexuality. There are as many ways to twist our thinking as their are people on the earth. The possibilities are endless. But all of these unique manifestations of sin are the result of one common thing: our separation from God.

To classify any one sin as better or worse than another sin, is to fail to see sin in the same way God does. It all looks the same to Him: revolting. We humans (particularly Americans) have a tendency to somehow see pride as OK, but homosexuality as disgusting. They are the same thing: sin, twisted thinking, brokenness, depravity.

So, I guess the answer I would have to your question, &quot;why is it a conscious decision for the homosexual to choose to be what they are&quot;, would simply be: Maybe some did, and maybe some didn&#039;t. No matter how it happened, they are separated from God, and the closer they get to him, the more he will restore the broken parts of their thinking to match his way of thinking. The same way he does for an alcoholic, or a prideful person, or whatever way in which each of us is showing our brokenness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Penny: I guess I&#8217;ve really struggled through that very question.</p>
<p>The conclusion that I have come to is simply that we are all born into sin. When we are separated from God our thinking becomes twisted and we call that &#8220;twistedness&#8221; sin. I really think that each person manifests this twisted thinking in their own unique way. God made each of us uniquely, so why wouldn&#8217;t we manifest our sin uniquely?</p>
<p>For some, this twisted thinking comes out as jealousy. That&#8217;s a lifestyle of jealousy, not just a momentary jealous thought. Some people show this sin in their live primarily through pride, for others it&#8217;s alcoholism. For some, it&#8217;s homosexuality. There are as many ways to twist our thinking as their are people on the earth. The possibilities are endless. But all of these unique manifestations of sin are the result of one common thing: our separation from God.</p>
<p>To classify any one sin as better or worse than another sin, is to fail to see sin in the same way God does. It all looks the same to Him: revolting. We humans (particularly Americans) have a tendency to somehow see pride as OK, but homosexuality as disgusting. They are the same thing: sin, twisted thinking, brokenness, depravity.</p>
<p>So, I guess the answer I would have to your question, &#8220;why is it a conscious decision for the homosexual to choose to be what they are&#8221;, would simply be: Maybe some did, and maybe some didn&#8217;t. No matter how it happened, they are separated from God, and the closer they get to him, the more he will restore the broken parts of their thinking to match his way of thinking. The same way he does for an alcoholic, or a prideful person, or whatever way in which each of us is showing our brokenness.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny,
That is exactly my point. :)
I believe that we are all born with the God-given desire for the opposite sex.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201:18-32;&amp;version=31;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Romans 1:18-32&lt;/a&gt; sheds some light on why anyone would ever change from this--it&#039;s sin.

I believe all homosexuals choose to behave that way. It&#039;s a conscious decision to sin, just as it is a conscious decision to sin in any other way.

Nor do I believe all heterosexuals never thought about it. We hear often that you can be born gay, and so we&#039;re taught we ought to question our sexual identity. I think a lot of heterosexuals probably have questioned their sexuality.

But the bottom line, is that all human beings are born as straight, heterosexuals. The only reason anyone practices homosexuality is addressed in Romans 1.

hope that makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny,<br />
That is exactly my point. <img src='http://nathandiehl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I believe that we are all born with the God-given desire for the opposite sex.<br />
<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201:18-32;&#038;version=31;" rel="nofollow">Romans 1:18-32</a> sheds some light on why anyone would ever change from this&#8211;it&#8217;s sin.</p>
<p>I believe all homosexuals choose to behave that way. It&#8217;s a conscious decision to sin, just as it is a conscious decision to sin in any other way.</p>
<p>Nor do I believe all heterosexuals never thought about it. We hear often that you can be born gay, and so we&#8217;re taught we ought to question our sexual identity. I think a lot of heterosexuals probably have questioned their sexuality.</p>
<p>But the bottom line, is that all human beings are born as straight, heterosexuals. The only reason anyone practices homosexuality is addressed in Romans 1.</p>
<p>hope that makes sense.</p>
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