Comments on: Keep Guests Away from Your Church http://nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/ a journal of one Christ-following digerati wannabe. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:46:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Todd Helmkamp http://nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-822 Todd Helmkamp Wed, 16 May 2007 11:59:35 +0000 http://www.nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-822 Yes, very good points. Both of you. But, to me, this sign is more than a poor representation of Christianity because of its financial overtones (which I disagree with COMPLETELY). The grammar is terrible. :) Yes, very good points. Both of you.

But, to me, this sign is more than a poor representation of Christianity because of its financial overtones (which I disagree with COMPLETELY). The grammar is terrible. :)

]]> By: nathan http://nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-809 nathan Tue, 15 May 2007 11:38:30 +0000 http://www.nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-809 Tara, Good points. I hadn't considered that... I see it as a bit different, as in <em>our</em> context, people already are aware of Christianity, so it is fundamentally different than speaking to one who isn't aware. People already know about churches, they know about Christians. They believe churches want their money, and Christians are all hypocrites. What i was getting at is we need to break through the walls they have up, not expect people to break out of it on their own. You do bring up interesting points... Tara,
Good points. I hadn’t considered that…

I see it as a bit different, as in our context, people already are aware of Christianity, so it is fundamentally different than speaking to one who isn’t aware.
People already know about churches, they know about Christians. They believe churches want their money, and Christians are all hypocrites.
What i was getting at is we need to break through the walls they have up, not expect people to break out of it on their own.

You do bring up interesting points…

]]> By: Tara Lilly http://nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-807 Tara Lilly Tue, 15 May 2007 04:05:34 +0000 http://www.nathandiehl.com/2007/05/14/keep-guests-away-from-your-church/#comment-807 Here's my first thought: Everything Jesus said to people was the type of thing that would send them packing if they weren't ready to hear it. Sell all you have and follow me. Walk away from all you know to follow me. Give up even your own family and work responsibilities to follow me. The way I see it, the Bible is a scary, offensive document to our fallen sensibilities. Aren't we just here to give the message, even to those that aren't ready or spiritually mature enough to see it? Isn't it the Holy Spirit's job to prepare the heart and remove spiritual blinders? What happens if we dilute the Gospel so much that once a person actually starts reading the Bible it scares them to death? (What is this 'take up your cross' bit about? You mean Christians are supposed to suffer for their faith? Nevermind!) Just offering another angle; I'm not attacking you and hopefully I won't get attacked here, I'm just looking to stir up some discussion because this is pretty interesting stuff to me, and maybe there are some questions we should be asking ourselves. Here’s my first thought: Everything Jesus said to people was the type of thing that would send them packing if they weren’t ready to hear it. Sell all you have and follow me. Walk away from all you know to follow me. Give up even your own family and work responsibilities to follow me. The way I see it, the Bible is a scary, offensive document to our fallen sensibilities. Aren’t we just here to give the message, even to those that aren’t ready or spiritually mature enough to see it? Isn’t it the Holy Spirit’s job to prepare the heart and remove spiritual blinders? What happens if we dilute the Gospel so much that once a person actually starts reading the Bible it scares them to death? (What is this ‘take up your cross’ bit about? You mean Christians are supposed to suffer for their faith? Nevermind!) Just offering another angle; I’m not attacking you and hopefully I won’t get attacked here, I’m just looking to stir up some discussion because this is pretty interesting stuff to me, and maybe there are some questions we should be asking ourselves.

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